"As Rabbi Jonathan Sacks has written, there is a difference between history and memory: “History is information. Memory, by contrast, is part of identity… Memory is the past as present, as it lives on in me.” Survivors, witnesses, the descendants of those who lived through [histories], and all those who learn about [these histories] today face the question of how to remember the past and how that memory might shape our understanding of ourselves and our present world" (Holocaust and Human Behavior, Facing History and Ourselves, 2017. p. 598).
In his testimony sharing, teaching and life, residential school survivor, and self-described victor, Theodore Fontaine frequently explored how memory lives on in the present: His family’s love, the horrors of residential schooling, the joys of friendship, and the healing power of connection shaped and reshaped his life, his teachings and his works. In so sharing, those who listened became witnesses to his experiences, and many were transformed as a result.
The following interviews build on our event, Learning from Theodore Fontaine: A Call for Lasting Change, and draw on the voices of additional friends and colleagues whose life and work act as living examples of Theodore’s teachings, his legacy and calls to action. We hope that these interviews will prompt deeper learning from Theodore and inspire readers to consider how his testimony and legacies might shape our understanding of ourselves and the choices we make.
To watch his recorded testimony, please check out our blog, Honouring and Remembering Chief Theodore Niizhotay Fontaine.
As you read these interviews:
- What insights do you gain about Theodore’s legacy and his hopes for the future?
- What questions do the interview responses raise for you about yourself or the world around you?
- How do the responses extend or challenge your thinking about the possibilities for living with trauma, hope and healing?
- How are you reflecting on the possibilities for healing, hope and courage after trauma, as you read these reflections?
For Ted, real reconciliation came through everyday acts of generosity and kindness. Our breakfast meetings were often punctuated by Ted recognizing passers-by and stopping them for a quick hello and always a joke... He connected, related, and celebrated their shared existence, and thereby cultivated knowledge and nurtured learning..." - Andrew Woolford |
Suzanne Carrière
“Essentially, he was showing those students that they were important, worthy, and they mattered, made all the more poignant given he was not granted the same courtesy, or basic act of human decency, by those who worked in the schools he attended.” Canada’s first Métis citizenship judge, Suzanne Carrière, has presided over 1,900 citizenship ceremonies, personally welcoming over 140,000 newcomers into the Canadian family (as of April 2024). She uses her platform unfailingly to speak about reconciliation being a shared responsibility of all Canadians, whether Indigenous or non-Indigenous, whether born here or elsewhere. In June 2021, Suzanne was honoured to preside over the very first citizenship ceremony in Canadian history to use a revised oath of citizenship recognizing the right of Indigenous Peoples, in response to the TRC Call to Action #94. Suzanne Carrière is proudly Red River Métis on both sides of her family, and lives, works and plays on Treaty 1 territory with her husband and three children.
FH&O: Can you share a reflection or story about your relationship with Chief Fontaine? SC: I first encountered Theodore Fontaine when I read Broken Circle: The Dark Legacy of Indian Residential Schools. What an incredible act of courage to put out such a painful story for all to read and learn from – it should be essential reading for all Canadians. I then met him and his wife Morgan in my role as a citizenship judge. We participated in many citizenship ceremonies together, and Elder Fontaine welcomed new Canadians with such warmth and generosity of spirit. FH&O: How might you convey his wisdom and impact on you? SC: What struck me most was how he would always bring a few students from the schools he worked into the ceremonies... He would introduce them to others and would mention them when he spoke during the ceremonies. Essentially, he was showing those students that they were important, worthy, and they mattered, made all the more poignant given he was not granted the same courtesy, or basic act of human decency, by those who worked in the schools he attended. I miss Elder Fontaine’s smile, the twinkle in his eye when he spoke, and his hearty two-handed handshakes that conveyed all the warmth and love of an enthusiastic bear hug! He was a great man, a national treasure, and I am honoured to have known him and shared a friendship with him. Lianna McDonald "Until his passing, Theodore continued to gift our staff, our city and our country with stories full of rich teachings...Sharing these small events was a way to help others grasp the bigger issues of isolation, need, and hate that Theodore and his classmates endured."
Lianna McDonald, the Executive Director of the Canadian Centre for Child Protection (C3P). Since 1998, she has guided the agency from its grass roots origins to a leading organization on the international stage in the fight against child victimization.
FH&O: Can you share a reflection or story about your relationship with Chief Fontaine? LM: I first met Theodore Fontaine on a cold morning right before Christmas in 2014. One of our staff had found him sitting in his red car in the parking lot. He told us he was a survivor who attended classes at the Assiniboia Indian Residential School; the building that is now home to the Canadian Centre for Child Protection. He explained he often parked out back to visit old memories and recall his years at school. We invited him to spend the morning with our team a few weeks later where he generously shared both his time and his memories – the hard ones and the happier ones – to help us better understand the shadowed history of our building and the impacts of residential schools across Canada. FH&O: How might you convey his wisdom and impact on you? LM: Until his passing, Theodore continued to gift our staff, our city and our country with stories full of rich teachings – hockey scouts climbing the fence to see the students play, “borrowing” vegetables from the neighbour’s garden, hearing people from the neighbourhood walk by and yell “war whoops” at the school. Sharing these small events was a way to help others grasp the bigger issues of isolation, need, and hate that Theodore and his classmates endured. We are forever grateful to him for being so willing to revisit such difficult times and bring light to an important part of our past that must be understood, both for our history and future. Nate Leipciger "As survivors of the Holocaust and Residential Schools, we carry difficult memories, deeply concealed in our subconscious mind. Theo’s courageous revelation of his mistreatment encouraged me to tell about the abusive treatment I was subjected to during the Holocaust." - Nate Leipciger Nate Leipciger was born in Chorzow, South West Poland, in 1928. He survived 7 concentration camps including Auschwitz-Birkenau. He immigrated to Canada in 1948, where he attended high school and obtained a university degree in engineering. In 2019 Nate was awarded an honorary doctorate degree from the University of Toronto for his tremendous contributions in the field of Holocaust Education. Nate is also an advisory board member for Facing History and Ourselves and winner of the FHAO Upstander Award. (Theodore Fontaine, Bernice Leipciger, Nate Leipciger, Morgan Fontaine)
FH&O: Can you share a reflection or story about your relationship with Chief Fontaine?
NL: Theo Fontaine and I collaborated in many presentations of Holocaust education and awareness of the unjust treatment of the Indigenous peoples. His people suffered from cultural genocide of being separated from their parents and culture through the use of Residential Schools. The mistreatment was confirmed by the discovery of untold number of children’s unmarked graves that made him angry and sad.
FH&O: How might you convey his wisdom and impact on you?
NL: As survivors of the Holocaust and Residential Schools, we carry difficult memories, deeply concealed in our subconscious mind. Theo’s courageous revelation of his mistreatment encouraged me to tell about the abusive treatment I was subjected to during the Holocaust. Beyond this, there was a bond of kinship and trust that cemented the relationship between ourselves and our spouses. We enjoyed our friendship and celebrated our accomplishments and good fortunes. We miss him greatly.
Andrew Woolford “Theodore (Ted) Niizhotay Fontaine was my friend. This is an important fact because Ted taught me to emphasize relationships rather than research.” - Andrew Woolford Andrew Woolford is professor of sociology and criminology at the University of Manitoba, an emeritus member of the Royal Society of Canada College, and former president of the International Association of Genocide Scholars. He is author of ‘This Benevolent Experiment’: Indigenous Boarding Schools, Genocide and Redress in the United States and Canada (2015) and Between Justice and Certainty: Treaty-Making in British Columbia (2005), as well as co-author of The Politics of Restorative Justice (2019) and Informal Reckonings: Conflict Resolution in Mediation, Restorative Justice, and Reparations (2005). He is co-editor of Did You See Us? Reunion, Remembrance, and Reclamation at an Urban Indian Residential School (2021) Canada and Colonial Genocide (2017), The Idea of a Human Rights Museum (2015), and Colonial Genocide in Indigenous North America (2014). FH&O: Can you share a reflection or story about your relationship with Chief Fontaine?
AW: Theodore (Ted) Niizhotay Fontaine was my friend. This is an important fact because Ted taught me to emphasize relationships rather than research. I first reached out to him after reading his memoir, Broken Circle, which captures the genocidal violence of Canadian assimilation policies so forcefully and poignantly. Soon, we were meeting regularly for breakfast and dreaming up ways to do research differently. He did not hesitate when I invited him to head up a Survivor Advisory Council for the Embodying Empathy project, which created a virtual reality replica of the Fort Alexander Indian Residential School. During our meetings about Embodying Empathy, he stated, “Something needs to be done about Assiniboia. People don’t know that there was a residential school in Winnipeg.” This began our ongoing work on commemorating the Assiniboia Residential School. FH&O: How might you convey his wisdom and impact on you? AW: Our first accomplishment was a reunion event in 2017 that brought together Survivors and their families with River Heights neighbours to connect with and learn from each other. Since then, an edited volume of Survivor remembrances and a commemorative site for the school grounds have been completed. Respect and relationships have been at the centre of all this work. For Ted, real reconciliation came through everyday acts of generosity and kindness. Our breakfast meetings were often punctuated by Ted recognizing passers-by and stopping them for a quick hello and always a joke. No matter how long ago they had met, Theodore recognized them, knew their names, and remembered something about them. He connected, related, and celebrated their shared existence, and thereby cultivated knowledge and nurtured learning – just as he did with thousands of young people through his frequent school presentations. During his convivial and lively interactions, he was a "Victor," as he liked to say, rather than a Survivor, overcoming a system that sought to sever him from community, identity, and hope. Siobhan Faulkner "I learned about true humility, never being more or less than anyone in this circle of life. I learned about love for all of humanity as I listened and watched Elder Theodore walk and talk with others." - Siobhan Faulkner
Siobhan Faulkner is an educator from Winnipeg. She has spent most of her teaching career trying to learn as much as she can about the national tragedy that is residential schools. Her joy and passion comes from seeing youth correcting the history of Canada. Siobhan is humbled by the strength and power of the survivors such as Theodore and his classmates at Assiniboine Residential School.
FH&O: Can you share a reflection or story about your relationship with Chief Fontaine? FH&O: How might you convey his wisdom and impact on you?
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